Much to take issue with here. And while you’ve ignored much of our critiques of the marketing of the film, you score some points with me for actually following up on the issue, something not all the Eli supporters were prepared to do. I’ll respond in more detail on another bombastic podcast.
I’ve been waiting for this movie for quite some time. And I appreciate your statement regarding horror journalists, that encouragement and a sense of community is what should be taking place within our beloved genre.
As many of your readers may not listen to the show in question, I have to point out that you’re being unfair to Amazon Watch. They were forced to make a statement on that thread in response to Eli’s false claims that they were in support of his film. It was creating confusion for their supporters and they needed to clarify the situation. And though you’re not guilty of this yourself, I saw more than a few instances where horror pundits running with the story put Amazon on blast for the petition, something they obviously had nothing to do with. And I get that you’re an Eli supporter but it’s Eli who’s at fault here, not Amazon Watch. But I’m glad you provided a link to that revealing discussion. That’s the heart of this issue – not the person who posted the petition, but the context in which the statement was made and the outrageous promises Eli made to the indigenous people, only to mock them with an irresponsible marketing campaign designed to amplify the voices of bigots. I hope your readers take the time to sift through that thread and reflect on his comments. It reveals a very different situation than what he said last year in a Rue Morgue interview that the only people who’d object to his representation of indigenous tribes in the Amazon are, “North Americans who want to appear to be concerned.” Amerindian has other threads on the subject. And though I don’t agree with all of the comments, it’s a fascinating read to get a sense of how some of the indigenous people feel about a movie like this. As far as I know, there’s no horror sites out there written by natives so it’s a perspective a lot of us don’t normally hear (and I guess a lot of us don’t want to hear, as the YouTube rants Eli has been retweeting will attest to.) As for your dismissive comments and criticisms of the show, it’s true, I put you in a defensive posture so I have to accept a reaction like this. And I will. But as an EX horror journalist, one with an extensive history, my frustration with the state of online horror journalism continues. The fact that you listened to our show – one of the extremely rare instances where journalists examine an issue from the horror world with a shred of critical perspective – and came away with almost nothing of value does not do much to restore my faith in this culture to be honest. Having said that, I don’t know much about your work personally so I’m not going to judge you purely from both this issue and your response, especially as I put you in a defensive posture to begin with. And as for my efforts to reach out to Amazon Watch to get clarification on the situation…. You’re welcome! 😉 Stuart F. Andrews cinephobia.xxx
Thanks for the in-depth reply Stuart. I admit I didn’t give the issue a thorough examination like you did. I might have had the inclination to do so if I didn’t feel compelled to defend myself for having previously reported on the petition’s existence. I feel that the details of your detective work and my defense was all the room I had in this particular post (frankly, readers don’t often read anything over 1000 words). The marketing tactics, Roth’s inaccurate claims of support, and how this fits into the current climate of SJW backlash are issues for additional articles. Your podcast was a extensive and exhaustive whereas, as a blogger, I feed my readers complex issues in digestible chunks. The totality of your podcast was not lost on me. Thanks again for the time you took getting to the bottom of this situation. Hope there are no hard feelings.
None at all, sir. I appreciate the response. (As for Man’s comment. Hello there, Hot Carl! Nice to see you again, my old friend.)
After being unwittingly dragged into the film’s publicity (due to Eli’s inaccurate claims and a petition falsely attributed to the organization), AMAZON WATCH have finally released a formal statement on the GREEN INFERNO: http://amazonwatch.org/news/2015/0812-amazon-watch-denounces-eli-roths-racist-film-the-green-inferno Whether or not you agree that Eli’s depiction of indigenous people is racist, this is well worth a read for some much-needed context into what’s actually happening in the Amazon.
Will def bring this statement to our readers. This time, aspects of Roth’s marketing campaign will be discussed. Thanks as always for helping me deliver the most accurate information. Much appreciated!
Josh, as a small human rights and environmental NGO, Amazon Watch’s primary function is to accurately reflect the perspectives and opinions of our indigenous partners. Therefore, it was imperative that we meet with our indigenous partners before releasing any type of formal statement. You can now read that formal statement here: http://amazonwatch.org/news/2015/0812-amazon-watch-denounces-eli-roths-racist-film-the-green-inferno Amazon Watch did not “backpedal” nor were we “waiting for cash from Roth.” As you can imagine, most of our partners live in the remote rainforest and sometimes it can take awhile to communicate with them. All of our programmatic work is based directly on our indigenous partner’s perspectives, requests and opinions. It was simply a logistical issue that delayed the release of our own formal statement.
I will make sure to present you’re official statement with our readers. While we may agree to disagree on certain aspects of The Green Inferno, I appreciate that you have taken the time weigh in! Thank you!